of state who claims accountability and responsibility for this and not come before the united states senate in an open, formal hearing. so i expect that to happen. candidly, i have no desire whatsoever to take up another secretary of state's hearing without that having happened first, so my sense is -- >> is it a little awkward that the next secretary of state is likely to be your colleague, the chairman of your panel who's been chairing these sessions, john kerry? >> i shared that with him today, and i think he got the message. i'd already shared that earlier this week when the two officials, the undersecretaries, called to say they were going to be testifying instead. i made it clear to them that that's fine, but that's not fully acceptable. in other words, there has to be another round. the fact that arb just came out today, andrea, there's a lot in it. the hearings tomorrow, i think there's going to need to be a follow-up hearing anyway. that's a time when secretary clinton, hopefully, will come in. she's indicated a desire to do that. i think it's incredibly important for our nation th